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you

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my name is Cheryl Costa I'm a resident

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of upstate New York like I'm a New York

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State were native originally and my

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spouse Linda Miller Costa and I are I'm

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a journalist and Linda Miller Costa has

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been a career scientist and the two of

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us produced the first book of UFO

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statistics called the UFO sightings Desk

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Reference United States of America 2001

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to 2015 and we have been dubbed the

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mothers of UFO statistics which we kind

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of like

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I had been writing a newspaper column

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for the Syracuse New Times for several

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years and in the course of writing my

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column I would sometimes add up the

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sightings in a particular County or

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something like this especially if I saw

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that there was some kind of hot activity

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going on there and one of the things I

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did was I noticed the two reporting

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agencies the national UFO Reporting

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Center and MUFON

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didn't really collect County data so I

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started adding County data because again

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New York State was my beat and I wanted

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to know what counties these were in and

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as I did add the data to it we found out

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that people there were clusters of UFO

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sightings that nobody knew were clusters

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before because maybe they were out in

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some rural area and the numbers were so

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small that a lot of the little places

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out in the rural areas were not much

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more than a cattle crossing with it with

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a volunteer fire department you know and

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the next thing you know we started

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putting County data to it we started

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noticing huge amounts of clusters in

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certain rural areas so along with that

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we shared some of this information with

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some of the New York State UFO

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investigators and they said well Cheryl

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we didn't know there was a cluster there

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either you know and then they like it

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looked at Monroe County which is

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essentially Rochester New York and said

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we knew there was a lake on a lake eerie

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effect out in the Buffalo and Niagara

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Frontier area but when we had a County

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data we found out that Monroe County had

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almost as many sightings as the Lake

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Erie area and people said to me well

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Cheryl we didn't know there was a Lake

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Ontario effect so one night in October

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2015

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Linda and I were sitting in our favorite

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pub staring across the couple of pints

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and we said wow look at all the cool

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stuff when you figured out we discovered

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doing these things by adding simply

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adding County data and adding adding

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everything up and we said wow what would

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happen if we did the whole country and

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we sat there and stared each other for

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another 10 minutes his father this would

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take like a year to do you know in

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reality it took 18 months

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because we did not know what we were

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doing and being that weird had both been

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civilian contractors to the government I

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worked for Lockheed Martin for 32 years

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and she was a contractor to government

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libraries through a firm she worked for

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she used to be the head librarian at the

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Environmental Protection Agency so we

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sat down and started writing process

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procedures so when you get the raw data

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from one reporting service or the other

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we would say well you do this first you

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clean this first you fix these things

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second you through this third and so we

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figured out how to do all that and clean

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that the data is dirty it has to be

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cleaned up and organized so you can sort

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on it and do things with it people don't

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spell the name of cities very well you

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know or they'll put a space between the

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front of the city so they'll do it in

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all capitals or to do it all in

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lowercase it it messes up the the

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database so to speak so we had to spend

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a lot of time cleaning that up

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three and a half to four percent of

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people who report UFO on the MUFON site

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don't tell you what city they're

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reporting it from okay which makes it

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difficult so so we learned how to do it

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and like it said it took a long time and

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then we started compiling this book and

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when we started doing the book again

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there was there was new ground we didn't

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know how to publish a book full of

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charts graphs and tables taking stuff

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out of it Microsoft Excel and putting it

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into Word we have we have since figured

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out a much more faster way of doing it

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that's much more reliable but that's

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that's how we got going with it and then

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when we put our book out we hope that

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the UFO community would like this book

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of statistics of course it's charts and

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graphs and Linda Linda when we started

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to do the book

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is important Linda is the real brains

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behind the book Linda Miller Costa Linda

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said we're gonna do a book it's gonna be

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like a government report it's not gonna

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have any cute aliens on the cover it's

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gonna be charts and graphs it's gonna be

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a census of UFOs and we're gonna do 21st

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century information there's a lot of the

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stuff that was talked about UFO

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communities were stories from the

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forties fifties sixties seventies now we

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said let's do modern information because

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there's lots of it going on now much

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more than there was back then so that's

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what we did and so we put this book

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together there's a 25-pound 374 page

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book full of data and a New York Times

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reporter got a copy of it went into his

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editors and said hey some old lady's in

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Syracuse New York did the science and

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that impressed them because for 70 years

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they had never said a nice thing about

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UFOs and suddenly there's a book with

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numbers in front of them no stories just

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a book of numbers is said everybody

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everywhere in the country had seen them

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and so they did a lovely story about us

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in the New York Times in the April 24th

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and 25th 24th was the online edition

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25th and the print edition on April 24th

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25th of 2017 it's available on the web

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Google New York Times kosta UFO you'll

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get the article and from the moment they

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put that article up we start night the

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newspaper I work for - Syracuse New

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Times and my own home phone we started

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getting phone calls from news directors

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and newspaper editors all over the world

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and there was a lot of interest than our

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numbers and that's how we got started in

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doing this crazy crazy stuff we never

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imagined we would have the Ayad I was

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newly retired and I thought I was just

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gonna be coasting at this point and put

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the book out we sell a few books you

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know suddenly I'm working I'm getting

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five to ten phone calls a day for at

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least the first five weeks

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asking for an interview or something

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like this I was putting in 8 the 12

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hours every day just handling the public

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relations associated with the book

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that's a nice problem to have and I've

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had a lot of other UFO authors tell me

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they put a book out and had dismal sales

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and I look at him and they say well how

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well did you do and I tell them kind of

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a number and they they the color goes

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away from their face you know you so

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good maybe oh yeah you know so but I've

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had a lot of people write me and say

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this things nothing but numbers well the

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truth is in the numbers we'll take the

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time to analyze it look at it see what

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it says about your local area if you

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want his stories our book was not the

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one to buy and but a lot of people have

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bought it and they've found it to be

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fascinating MUFON investigators just

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think this thing is fantastic because

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the MUFON database is only 30 or 40

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percent of the sightings so you add in

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the national UFO Reporting Center data

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and what you end up with is a complete

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picture use either database by itself

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and it's it's skewed to one geographical

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region or another okay and we found out

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that the national UFO Reporting Center

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stuff kind of skews to the southwest and

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to the northwest of the United States

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and MUFON skewed a different way but you

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put it all together and it bounces it

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out so that's why we use the do

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databases now people have asked me hey

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do you go to these other little

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databases I've reached out to some of

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them some of them the data wasn't

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compatible or was duplicated in the two

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major databases so no we have it

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our focus was to analyze the data a lot

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of people just want to like I've had

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people email me well we'd like your 25

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best cases I don't have case studies in

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fact the first thing we get rid of in

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the database is all the description

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information about the sighting we keep

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the date and time the location the city

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location the state and the shape that's

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all we can keep what when and where and

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what shape it was okay where most

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investigators go go from out like a case

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study standpoint which is perfectly

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valid to go out there and do the CSI

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thing out there at a sighting site we

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decided instead of studying one ant to

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nauseum we just studied the study the

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okay so we did a lot of analysis

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initially the first book that came out

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the site of UFO sightings desk reference

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that was more or less a study of adding

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everything up and finding out who the

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top states were who the top counties

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were what the top shapes were in every

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state and that kind of stuff right well

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we've refined the database in the lat in

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the years since the the three years

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since we put the book out and we've

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added additional data 2016 17 18 and in

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the original book 2000 2001 to 2015

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there was one hundred twenty one

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thousand sightings in the in the in the

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book in this one were up to one hundred

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and forty six thousand eight hundred so

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almost hundred forty seven thousand

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sightings and it's it's intriguing so

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what we did was we also wrote and since

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that time we've put together algorithms

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within this is considered big data and

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the the trick with big data is to write

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algorithms to crunch it and we have

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figured out how to crunch it we can tell

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you the hours of the day when people see

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these things we can tell you we know for

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a fact that by analyzing it that UFO

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sightings from not about the UFOs

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they're about the observers seeing the

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UFOs and it's driven by population of

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course everybody knows that but it's

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also driven by temperate weather okay

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like in a northern state there's a

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quiescent amount of sightings all

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through the year but you get to like

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June July August it it goes through the

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roof big peak well everybody said well

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doggerel summer weather it's like that

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well yes but maybe not you've moved down

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into the mid-atlantic states from like

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Virginia Maryland and go across the

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country and that peak starts flattening

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out and those other numbers come up and

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and then you get to Deep South states

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and it's it's statistically sweat it

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looks like a picket fence okay the

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numbers do in fact there's some they're

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really warm deep south States the

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numbers in the summertime actually fall

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a little bit because they're very hot

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okay you go to Alaska the numbers in the

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middle of the summit are there which is

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May June July it's daylight all the time

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the numbers going to the toilet because

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it's daylight all the time we discovered

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there has to be leisure time and hours

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of darkness to help fuel sightings this

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is something nobody knew now the lot of

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people sit there and try to trivialize

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it and say well die anybody can figure

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that out well you didn't know that until

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we added up the numbers and discovered

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this the guy John keel back in the 70s

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he had a small database of maybe a

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hundred or a thousand sightings they ran

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it through some big old 360 computer

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back in the day at University of

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Colorado or someplace and they came up

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with well the peak day for UFO sightings

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is Wednesday and after our book came out

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when the first question somebody asked

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me what about the Wednesday effect you

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know we didn't know so we went back in

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start looking at the data and we did a

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crunch had to write some special stuff

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for it and as soon as we did the

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software for it and ran it we found out

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that 76% of the states it's Saturday

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night

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12% of the states it was a different

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night and it's like like two states it's

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like Tuesday two other states that was

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like Thursday three states it was like

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Sunday you know who knew nobody knew

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until we crunched the data like that and

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I give I you know tip of the hat to John

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keel for doing the early statistics

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stuff you know though he never pushed a

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book with that statistics that's a shame

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but he did do the first them and him and

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the air force were the only people ever

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to do his statistics but nobody nobody

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published so when Linda and I came along

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with their desk reference it was the

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first book of published statistics on

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the UFOs again no case studies just it's

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a it's a census of UFO sightings that's

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a lot of media that called me up well

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who are they why are they here I

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couldn't answer that question for them I

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think I told one talk radio host I said

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it might be government pilots it might

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be extraterrestrial from another solar

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system or another galaxy it might be

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interdimensional beings it might be the

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Teamsters I don't know who's lying them

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all I can tell you is where they're

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flying them and I can tell you where

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they'd be seen and when they've been

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seeing you know I don't know that but

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we've learned a lot by their patterns

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we've learned to do cluster studies and

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we know that yeah okay you see a lot of

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sightings around a city major city

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population to some degree again then we

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follow it against leisure time seven

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sixty eight to seventy four percent of

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the sightings happen from five o'clock

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at night till 11:30 at night okay then

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it falls off pretty steep in fact

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between six o'clock in the morning and

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eight o'clock in the morning it's the

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lowest almost every state it's the laws

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everybody's driving to work you know

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who's going to report a UFO then and

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then the the 16 hours is a day between

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midnight

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the afternoon is only 28 to 32 percent

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of the sightings that varies from state

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to state the state I was giving you more

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or less the National curve on that if

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you do a state like Nevada okay

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and like the Clark County area which is

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essentially Las Vegas and that holds the

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curve but when you look at the numbers

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coming off of midnight instead of

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falling off real steep the you know 5 or

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6 o'clock in the morning there's a bump

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of sightings at 1 o'clock in the morning

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2 o'clock in the morning at 4 o'clock in

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the morning it's when the club's let out

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you know as I showed it to somebody out

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there a Nevada researcher yeah that's

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what all the clubs let out Wow you know

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so you find little things again it

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actually tells you more about us as

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observers and our patterns where things

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are the one thing you should take note

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at the quiescent sightings those ones it

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just happened all the time just

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regularly that what we call the baseline

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sightings those are dog walkers smokers

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and people out having a smoke walking

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the dog

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in fact MUFON investigators will tell

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you when they're going to analyze a

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months worth of data they will sometimes

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sort on smoke or dog because one they're

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considered reliable report reliable

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observers because they're out in their

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neighborhood day-in day-out they know

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the land rain or shine they know the lay

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of the land and if something's unusual

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they'll know what is and usually the dog

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will tell them yeah they can't think you

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know and I I've read many stories where

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it says my dog suddenly what's there was

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a board and was growling at something in

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the sky

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you know and you wouldn't believe how

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many stories I've read this sounds

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something like that okay top three

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states for sightings and this has been

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stable since 2004 top states California

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eighteen thousand eight hundred eighty

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eight sightings Florida is second in the

401
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country okay and it's it's in the nine

402
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to ten thousand range okay for that 18

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year period

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Texas follows Florida about the same

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numbers as Florida just slightly but

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less and then slot in the top ten states

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number four number five Number six

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number seven seemed to swap back and

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forth between Ohio Washington State New

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York State in Pennsylvania like couple

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years ago nearer state was number six

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are right now is no last year was number

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four they swap it up okay and then

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there's some a little bit of swapping

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down below and then there are some

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states that stay pretty stable where

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they are giving example Las Vegas was

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number 25 in our original book in the

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2018 version of that they're number 20

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they're number 20 they were number 26

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are those places for the top things okay

422
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AUSA Angela scowl knee not the city but

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Los Angeles County which is a pretty

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Gary is an incorporated area Bob has the

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most sightings in the country of over

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3200 counties they have more sightings

427
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than 40 individual states okay

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the second largest county to get four

429
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sightings is Maricopa County which is

430
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essentially the Phoenix Arizona area and

431
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they have more sightings than 36

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individual states okay

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now people look at LA and they say I

434
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don't know how they got all that light

435
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out there how do they hit Los Angeles

436
00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:42,520
area has had sightings up and down those

437
00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:46,900
canyons of UFOs since the 1880s okay

438
00:19:51,630 --> 00:19:49,000
funny lights in the sky and all that

439
00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:51,640
kind of thing so there's a long history

440
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there was the Battle of LA in February

441
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of 1942 so they've had a long long

442
00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:01,960
history of sightings Phoenix excuse me

443
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has had their share of sightings as well

444
00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:05,830
plus 20 years ago they had the Phoenix

445
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:11,860
lights okay and people asked me

446
00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:15,550
how come they have so many I said well

447
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,990
you know there's another thing we think

448
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:19,360
might be going on they did have a lot of

449
00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:21,370
stuff going on or they had some kind of

450
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major event happened like twenty or

451
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seventy years ago and they may be heard

452
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:28,900
grandpa talked about it and grandma

453
00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:30,730
talked about it and mom and dad talked

454
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about it so there might be a

455
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generational thing if they saw something

456
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:36,430
cool in the sky maybe I'll see something

457
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if I look up and we think that might be

458
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it's a theory which is just a theory

459
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the top city in the country in 2015 the

460
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top city was was Las Vegas in 2017

461
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top city was Las Vegas this year or

462
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Phoenix has crept up by about 114 extra

463
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sightings and they are the number one

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city in the country for UFOs now I don't

465
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count New York City Beach New York

466
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County New York City is considered it's

467
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five counties and I do it by account the

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city by their counties and people in New

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York City are very very proud to name

470
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their borough or their county so if it

471
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says New York City fine but it says

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Bronx or says Brooklyn or Queens or

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kings or New York County which is

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Manhattan I make sure I break it out so

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I don't give the whole city regional

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city the credit that like LA County if

477
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it was all in a1 incorporated county and

478
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it says a city I would say yeah sure but

479
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I don't do it that way but they do have

480
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a lot of sightings there

481
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if you remember earlier I stated about

482
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the Wednesday effect with John keel and

483
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we discovered it was Saturday night well

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there was only 76 percent of the of the

485
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states were on Saturday night so I went

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back I did have people come back - are

487
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there any other states that have a

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different day of the week and I said

489
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okay let me see if I can break it out so

490
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I did and what's weird is that there

491
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were a number of states that it was

492
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Wednesday or it was Thursday or

493
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something different

494
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Monday was not a date that anybody it

495
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was a peak day okay and they were one

496
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all southern states and then some

497
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interns took a look at it for us and

498
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they seem to think this is only a theory

499
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but some of them were from these for

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some college interns and some of them

501
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from the deep south they said well

502
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Wednesday night well that's Bible study

503
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night every Thursday night that's Bible

504
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study night you know and that seems to

505
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be what it might be I remember I said

506
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it's about leisure time so if people are

507
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out you know they're coming back from

508
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their bowling night or something like

509
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that

510
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you know so you know we don't know what

511
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:01,620
it is we have no way to ascertain what

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that is all we know is is it is it is

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there's a definite difference HEC

514
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Arkansas ok this this interviews being

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done in Arkansas Arkansas stop day is

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Thursday

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and we have and we have absolutely no

518
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idea the pattern for Arkansas's day of

519
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the week for sightings looks like no

520
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other state in the Union so who knew

521
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okay know so and so I think that's the

522
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best I can tell you about the the the

523
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statistics tell us a great deal about a

524
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lot of little things I've had very

525
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strange requests for things and all of

526
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these requests have come down to time

527
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the month a heck we found in some states

528
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:53,600
certain months seem to have more

529
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sightings of a particular shape versus

530
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another versus like the overall mean of

531
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all the 28 shapes that are out there

532
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okay we found out that in the last 18

533
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years in the last five years of the 18

534
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:11,120
years there's been a radical fall off on

535
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a 39% fall-off in sightings okay but

536
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:18,530
three sighting three shapes are on the

537
00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:21,890
increase okay we discovered that who

538
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,070
knew we found a couple

539
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:25,840
shapes that are down there hiding in the

540
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grass and they are consistent they're

541
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there all the time but they're so very

542
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tiny tiny little numbers it's like

543
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,770
walking through a wheat field you see

544
00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:37,840
all the lovely wheat there and that's

545
00:24:44,010 --> 00:24:41,470
all the UFO sightings and then down at

546
00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:44,020
your ankle levels is the is the Gopher

547
00:24:49,230 --> 00:24:45,790
or the snake running around by your feet

548
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:49,240
and it's a very small number of things

549
00:24:57,869 --> 00:24:54,730
that RIT that Linda coined it the

550
00:25:00,330 --> 00:24:57,879
the truth is in the shapes we did a

551
00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:00,340
study where we took every shape out of

552
00:25:06,509 --> 00:25:03,070
the 28 shapes that we know of we took

553
00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:06,519
every shape that even remotely looked

554
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,519
like something like an airplane cylinder

555
00:25:12,659 --> 00:25:11,200
shapes we took them out we took out the

556
00:25:15,659 --> 00:25:12,669
triangles because people tell us

557
00:25:18,989 --> 00:25:15,669
triangles oh that's the tr-3b that's

558
00:25:20,369 --> 00:25:18,999
testing so we took those out if it even

559
00:25:22,649 --> 00:25:20,379
remotely looked like something that

560
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:22,659
somebody says they're working on we took

561
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:24,730
it out so we kept all the really weird

562
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:34,200
squares and rectangles things like that

563
00:25:39,659 --> 00:25:37,570
and the changing UFO I didn't repeat an

564
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,669
intention that is changing unifo there

565
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:41,200
weren't very many of them and I thought

566
00:25:46,289 --> 00:25:44,049
maybe the person that was seeing it just

567
00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:46,299
couldn't figure out what it was well

568
00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:48,789
then I heard another side UFO scientists

569
00:25:52,019 --> 00:25:50,200
say you know we found that those

570
00:25:53,849 --> 00:25:52,029
changing UFOs are really weird because

571
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:53,859
just when you like you're trying to get

572
00:25:57,869 --> 00:25:55,480
the equipment on them they'll change

573
00:25:59,310 --> 00:25:57,879
look like something else you know so I

574
00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:59,320
went and studied them and they are the

575
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:01,899
most consistent UFO that's out there

576
00:26:06,779 --> 00:26:03,970
there's only about a hundred of them a

577
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,789
year sightings a year but they sit there

578
00:26:10,109 --> 00:26:08,559
and hovered between about seventy and a

579
00:26:11,639 --> 00:26:10,119
hundred and twenty-three sightings a

580
00:26:15,509 --> 00:26:11,649
year but they've been consistent but

581
00:26:17,879 --> 00:26:15,519
over 18 years only about 120 300 of them

582
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,889
you know it that's where the secrets are

583
00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:20,470
and Linda met coined the think the term

584
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:24,270
the secrets are in the shapes

585
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:26,429
and and we added another term to that

586
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:29,130
the secrets are in the small numbers the

587
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:30,510
real secrets are in those small numbers

588
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:34,980
of sightings dr. Jacque ville a made a

589
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,140
remark on a coast-to-coast program some

590
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:39,000
time back George Knapp was interviewing

591
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,400
him and he said 80% of the sightings out

592
00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:43,559
there are noise their their their their

593
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:46,950
junk okay and about 20 percent are the

594
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:49,860
real thing Linda and I crunched it a

595
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:52,170
different way and we came up with a

596
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:54,750
number very similar about 30 percent so

597
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,130
if you want to make an average maybe

598
00:27:02,600 --> 00:26:59,640
about 25 30 percent is is probably the

599
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:02,610
real thing and it was down in those 25

600
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:14,330
and how do I want to say we saw both

601
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,160
consistent patterns and then periodic

602
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:18,960
patterns that could be true that could

603
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:21,960
be tracked there's a couple of shapes

604
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:24,870
that they peaked in 2008 they peaked in

605
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:28,800
2012 and they peaked in 2014 and as and

606
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:31,650
and they were around the other times but

607
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:34,770
they didn't they weren't huge okay and

608
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:36,900
but only a couple shapes are like that

609
00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:38,520
there's other shapes that have just

610
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:40,680
followed the overall curve over the last

611
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:44,820
18 years and I have found this

612
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:47,970
fascinating I've found myself on many a

613
00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:50,820
rainy afternoon getting lost in the day

614
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,150
in the in the numbers it's it tells an

615
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,880
interesting story but I can't tell you

616
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,200
who's driving them I can't tell you

617
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:00,240
where they're from I can't tell you the

618
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:03,690
social economic level of the individuals

619
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:05,040
who are seeing them I can't tell you the

620
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,630
gender of the people who are seeing them

621
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:08,400
about the only thing I can tell you

622
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:10,140
about them is is that they were laying

623
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:11,460
in the hood of their car they were

624
00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:13,080
taking the dog for a walk or they were

625
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:15,390
out for a smoke from their shift or they

626
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,580
were off for a smoke near bedtime that's

627
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,340
all I can tell you well a couple of

628
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:22,380
things we recently discovered this is

629
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:25,530
preliminary data and so we're talking

630
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:28,260
here we are sitting here talking in

631
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,260
April of 2019 so this is very

632
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:33,510
preliminary at this point in time

633
00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:37,710
okay I'll own to copy the database to a

634
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:41,240
retired astronomy and physics professor

635
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:48,350
okay and I said could we study the stuff

636
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,929
against astronomical time

637
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,240
astronomical claim is the Earth rotates

638
00:29:00,080 --> 00:28:57,600
at 23 hours 56 minutes most people say

639
00:29:03,739 --> 00:29:00,090
well that's 24 hours I know it's 23

640
00:29:06,739 --> 00:29:03,749
hours 56 minutes so the star that is

641
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:06,749
overhead right now will be overhead

642
00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:10,980
tomorrow 4 minutes earlier and the day

643
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:12,929
after that forward earlier after that

644
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:16,169
after 7 days it will be that started was

645
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,330
overhead today right now will be

646
00:29:23,239 --> 00:29:21,419
overhead 30 minutes earlier so it's a

647
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:23,249
moving it's a moving target

648
00:29:31,369 --> 00:29:28,169
it's called City real time ok and for

649
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:31,379
fun I presented him with the data and I

650
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,350
said if we added lat longitude data with

651
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:36,480
the time and all that kind of

652
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:38,220
information could you could you figure

653
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:39,809
out whether or not there's a specific

654
00:29:44,659 --> 00:29:41,490
time when these things show up

655
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:44,669
astronomically you know and we both

656
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:47,220
expected to see a statistically slant no

657
00:29:52,609 --> 00:29:50,549
you know no we found there was a

658
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,619
specific time when a lot of these showed

659
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:54,779
up and it was when the galaxy is

660
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:56,850
directly overhead now on a starry night

661
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:59,580
that's wonderful started but the galaxy

662
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,100
is not overhead always in length time

663
00:30:06,859 --> 00:30:04,799
other times of the year its overhead

664
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:06,869
during the daytime when you wouldn't see

665
00:30:13,009 --> 00:30:11,369
it so that's the goofy thing in it to be

666
00:30:15,739 --> 00:30:13,019
honest with you it's scared to snot out

667
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:15,749
of both of us because it really hammered

668
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,559
home these things are real ok there was

669
00:30:25,489 --> 00:30:22,320
another thing we discovered about

670
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:25,499
clusters and we figured out that there

671
00:30:29,299 --> 00:30:27,059
were there were places here in the

672
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,309
states of little podunk counties

673
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:31,440
different places where nothing ever goes

674
00:30:36,019 --> 00:30:33,899
on there they have one do sighting is

675
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,029
once in the Blue Moon and then all of a

676
00:30:40,609 --> 00:30:38,700
sudden five years ago or seven years ago

677
00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:40,619
there was a two-week window when they

678
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:43,230
had a whole bunch of sightings that's

679
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:46,289
intriguing what was going out what was

680
00:30:51,739 --> 00:30:48,470
that flap what was that about

681
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:51,749
okay and that's been some of the stuff

682
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,950
that's been teasing us lately is these

683
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,200
small numbers and in small windows of

684
00:31:02,899 --> 00:31:00,419
time and we've written algorithms and

685
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:02,909
stuff designed certain kinds of charts

686
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:04,600
to find that kind of stuff

687
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:06,610
there was a book out a couple of years

688
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,770
ago came out in 2016 when Linda and I

689
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,200
were deep into crunching the book okay a

690
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:13,600
book came out by somebody that said that

691
00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:16,450
the 37th parallel is the UFO

692
00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:18,760
superhighway

693
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:21,550
okay and they they pulled through

694
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:23,350
sightings here and there and they talked

695
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,660
about paranormal things going on and all

696
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:27,700
that kind of stuff and oh the pyramids

697
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:29,650
are on this on this parallel you know

698
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:31,870
well when you crunch it up against the

699
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:35,080
numbers we did the 2018 numbers we added

700
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:37,990
lat longitude data to it and the 37th

701
00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:40,870
parallel is not a superhighway there are

702
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:44,350
ten other parallels in the United States

703
00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:46,270
member I'm doing only United at us eight

704
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:47,980
numbers are there are ten other

705
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:50,500
parallels in the United States where

706
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:53,710
they have far more sightings and people

707
00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:56,170
came back me well you know maybe it's

708
00:32:00,420 --> 00:31:57,910
because of you know the regularity of

709
00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:00,430
them across the country so I did a chart

710
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:03,420
of all the counties in the 37th parallel

711
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:08,560
okay which I know I can do and most the

712
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:10,410
sightings

713
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:12,570
was like non-existent to 1c Tuesday's

714
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,450
except when the 37th parallel went

715
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:17,640
through seeing a major city like Los

716
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:19,230
Angeles or something like that and

717
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:20,310
that's where they were getting their

718
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:22,650
numbers from now I went up to like the

719
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:25,590
47th out of the 42nd or 40th parallel

720
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:27,690
it's going through the industrial

721
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:29,490
northeast and the numbers were

722
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:32,490
consistent across the across the country

723
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,920
you know 30 40 sightings in every County

724
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:37,380
you know and it was very consistent so I

725
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:39,660
would think something that was a UFO

726
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:41,610
superhighway would have numbers all the

727
00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:43,680
way across the country you know and show

728
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:44,790
a lot of volume

729
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:47,720
not just in in added up numbers but also

730
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:51,330
consistently across the thing and so I

731
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:56,450
because another thing where they came

732
00:33:00,560 --> 00:32:58,290
back and they said to me well what about

733
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:00,570
the parallel what about the paranormal

734
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,910
and what about the say it was paranormal

735
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:05,760
and it was just UFOs it was paranormal

736
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:09,480
in livestock mutilation so I had an

737
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:13,890
intern sit down and Google every single

738
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:18,510
state one afternoon with the other term

739
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:20,910
of livestock community livestock

740
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:23,460
mutilation every single state has had

741
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:24,840
livestock mutilation

742
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:26,280
we're you know because of the publicity

743
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:28,110
we're led to believe it only happens in

744
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,670
western states where they have large

745
00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:32,220
ranges of livestock but every single

746
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,540
state has had it okay point one the the

747
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:39,360
same intern googled every single state

748
00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:42,210
and paranormal and every single state

749
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:45,270
had its haunted trails haunted buildings

750
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:49,590
haunted old save asylums and all of that

751
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:52,350
so you can't swing a cat and not hit all

752
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,830
that stuff so we think we felt that the

753
00:33:59,030 --> 00:33:57,210
book was just cherry-picking

754
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,040
what was going on locally for them

755
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:01,260
versus what's really going on bigger in

756
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:04,110
other areas the current book that's

757
00:34:12,139 --> 00:34:08,090
available via Amazon is called the UFO

758
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:12,149
sightings Desk Reference if you google

759
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:15,360
just that or go to Amazon UFO sightings

760
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:17,490
Desk Reference you'll find the book okay

761
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,550
the whole title is UFO sightings Desk

762
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:23,520
Reference United States of America 2001

763
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:27,750
to 2015 by Sheryl Costa and Linda Miller

764
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:34,290
Costa in 2019 into 2020 we will be

765
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,050
producing an updated version and it may